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so tell me how did you end up

choosing uh for this tactical

the diesel outboards i mean we don't see

them all too often

but i mean it's sort of this holy grail

of

people have been talking and wanting it

so tell me a little bit about your

journey in

choosing uh the product and what were

your hesitations

um pros and cons tell us a little bit

about how you went about

doing that for the tactical number two

so i can go back to what i said

beginning of this uh this webinar

being a guinea pig well i don't like to

be the guinea pig but i was careful

because you know

diesels uh in an outboard package uh as

you know they've been around for a fair

amount of time but in a mass production

and a large horsepower

scenario it's relatively new to the

world

and there's several companies out there

doing it um we found

hawks diesel outboards out of uh london

and england

to be the best fit for what we want to

do

there's enough of them proven at this

point they're relatively new to market

company but been around for 10 plus

years

in terms of design technology investment

uh what they're doing and there's quite

a backing behind it so

you know we did our homework thoroughly

and i thought that you know if i can

carry a large amount of fuel

and in our boat we're carrying 650 us

gallons of fuel of diesel

uh which is a lot for its class and the

goal was to have range

and if i can take that to the next level

and you know have a diesel outboard

that's going to be anywhere

between 20 to 30 percent you know more

efficient

you know we're running at low lower rpms

each one of these 300

horsepower outboards is producing close

to 500 foot-pounds of torque

um you know when we ran the numbers and

went through the tech process and the

naval architecture

on our project um it was a great fit and

you know we're

we're about to prove it shortly you know

we'll be one of the first setups of a

triple outboard package

um you know we could have done with

a dual package but at the same point um

you know we want to push the limits we

want to have some more speed

capabilities and things like that

and we you know there's some unique

configurations so when we looked at it

that we could be running um in theory uh

triple engines get up on a plane and

shut down the center engine

and raise the leg and be cruising more

efficient

at a certain speed and burning less fuel

um that was appealing

and then going one step farther let's

say that you were wanting to go

you know up to alaska or coastal

cruising and it wasn't about speed it

was about you know

making anywhere between six and nine

knots we can lift up the two outboard

engines and run on a single

at an appropriate rpm and massively

increase the range of this boat and turn

it into a trawler mode

so those things for us were super

appealing to do some unique stuff and

proof will be in the pudding you know

we'll prove shortly what we can do good

and bad

and we'll modify if need be but like i

said all the numbers made a lot of sense

um they're an expensive engine but at

the end of the day what we're getting

out of it

service intervals life expectancy safety

factor of carrying 650 us gallons of

diesel versus gasoline in the boat

really like that factor um you know it

made a lot of sense so

really optimistic about it and um you

know excited to you know get on the

water as much as i've ever been for

something and improve the package

so tell me uh has this been done before

where i it's the first time i hear about

it i think it's pretty neat so you're

you take off with three of course

getting onto planes the hardest

um and then are you manually disengaging

one engine

and actually then turning it off lifting

the leg for drag

and then you're having the boat

basically stay on plane which is

obviously

less hard than getting onto plane with

only two engines has that been done

before

so not that i know of but uh we're gonna

make it happen

i'm confident that we can have the

ability to do it based on all the

numbers

the weight of the boat like i said uh

looking at the tech specs of it we're

confident we'll make it happen

you know the the proof will be in how

efficient we are and how much fuel we're

saving

and what you know we what the crew speed

comes down to

and so you know we'll have all those

numbers and we'll know what it's going

to look like and we'll know the optimal

ranges so

for us once again it's not always about

you know getting there the fastest

we're confident we might get there the

first of our faster votes because we can

handle

rougher water more comfortably in the

way we've set this boat up

what's the displacement of the boat for

for the listeners

about so this this boat you put in

perspective if we want to call

um you know let's call it a 40-foot sea

ray tierra things like that could be

anywhere between 13

to 18 000 pounds in that ballpark this

boat is somewhere between

you know 24 and 28 000 pounds

so um similar sizes uh

but it's a heavier boat you know we we

named the boat tank so it's already been

named tank

uh but fun name just because that was

the focus is

you know getting their efficiency that's

actually a

a 30 foot model that's on the screen

they're another tactical different than

the one we're building now but

uh just something else to look at just

another future potential design

you um i don't think we mentioned so

aluminum hall

um and and talk a little bit about what

you're doing with the finishing inside i

think it's pretty neat what your

what your approach is on the finishing

on the inside yeah so

seeing that it's you know we have some

companies as we've talked about with

vinyl wraps and wrap boats and

history of yacht construction with our

primary company crescent yachts

um we are going to push some envelopes

so this boat is

100 zero wood and that sounds you know

uh you know not like a big thing but you

know most aluminum boats or metal boats

have

wood throughout in all different areas

whether it's listings whether it's

cabinetry furniture

installations parts and pieces and one

of the goals of this project was

is to go a hundred percent on with the

boat to prove that we could do it

um by using man-made products things

that are water and permeable

uh for rot reasons you know in theory uh

this boat you could open up the salon

and we'll be able to hit it with a hose

and we might just do a video where we

literally walk into what looks like a

completely finished uh

teak interior and hit it with a hose and

just hose it down

um you know just some unique things so

the boat's going to be entirely

vulnerable

it's uh full aluminum grade construction

uh military standard plus navy standard

plus in terms of the structure and the

ribbing and the makeup

unit uh and then the whole boat has a

sound deadening an anti-vibration

spray foam throughout to help sweating

and moisture

all those things uh far beyond what you

know a lot of traditional builders will

be doing

just to kind of take us to the next

level so there's a lot of time in the

details of this boat with anti-vibration

and sound

yeah the one thing too tim i like what

you're doing there i remember

uh talking to you just before christmas

um

is sort of that because obviously

there's no engines

uh inside the hall we've got all this

area for systems

you know and a place where everything

can be really

well laid out you know that there is not

it's you're not almost stepping on

yourself a lot of boats

unfortunately the systems are the last

thing to be thought about

and they're important because that's

what gives us a lot of creature comforts

and on this one you know you open that

hatch and with

you know the lighting and everything

else it to me it's going to make it

you know a dream to service it's a place

where

yeah of course you've gotta you know

you're not gonna be standing room

but it's a place where you can actually

access

all the different components

that give you the benefits of being on

you know

being connected to a power grid and have

all this you know inverters and again

like that all that stuff

batteries and all the combiners and

chargers all that stuff

is now easily accessible uh and what do

you call that space on that boat i don't

want to

come up with a name but you probably

have one what do you call that that's a

good we'll we'll work on a marketing

term for it because

we need one but but in theory you know

that's exactly what we did is we took a

space that was the engine bay

that is designed for the boat and we

took out what would be traditionally

you know two twin 500 horsepower diesel

engines

remove those out of that area and then

came up with the plan to use 360 degrees

of the vertical space

to install all the equipment and free up

all of the horizontal space in the deck

so what we're able to do right now is

you know the amount of things that we

can keep below deck

and toys and equipment and storage and

unique things

it's endless for this size boat so

you know it's another video we should

probably do in the future is how much

stuff we can cram under deck and keep

pulling out and pulling out is

it'll be ridiculous so it was definitely

a focus of the design

is to to do that and the serviceability

you know being able to get down there

easily

and see visually and service everything

in a well-lit area

it's definitely part of what the plan is

for the boat

yeah what uh what do you think the range

is at cruising speeds on that boat do

you have a sense of what that's going to

be

um at losing speeds we have some ideas

but you know those are hesitant

numbers that i like to put you know not

a lot of weight to until we actually

prove it

you know in theory this is going to be

anywhere between a 500 to 700 nautical

mile range boat

um there's a bunch of room in there and

you know going into trawler mode we

could be well over a thousand nautical

miles on this boat

so um you know we'll look and see what

it is but i mean we're pushing a big

unit

um you know we've got 900 horsepower

diesel

over you know just around 1500 foot

pounds of torque on the back of this

boat on oversized props

and um you know it is called tank for

reason as part of the ride quality so

you know the end of the day um you know

are you going to find more efficient

boats

yes but is it going to be very efficient

and very comfortable and very quiet and

have a very good

ride quality to it absolutely because

that's where we're putting our time and

money and energy yeah

yeah it's a hard way to put your finger

on and you know you know

any car can get you down the road but if

you've ever driven in a well-built

vehicle and you know there's just a

difference in a level of comfort and

that's really what we're pushing for is

that

a general comfort feeling and safety on

the water

yeah so for the listeners out here in

british columbia here we have

uh a lot of because of the narrow

passages in between all the islands

and the inlets we have a situation that

we get a lot of currents around here

uh related to the tides and uh win over

tide

around here is you can get some crazy

steep

shop it can be humbling

um you know the waves are almost

vertical

in certain places in around vancouver

island

and you know having speed is one thing

and it's one thing that you have a boat

when it's relatively flat

and that's of course always pleasant and

feels like a walk in the park

but it's being able to handle the

conditions

that mother nature throws at us with

wind over current

it can uh you know i it

it can get pretty rough out here

obviously it's not the outside it's not

crazy seas but you're going to have a

sea that can be pretty steep

and uncomfortable have you done the same

thing on this one for the seats what's

what's going on at the helm on this boat

on the

on the tactical i know it's a good

question so

there is quite a few companies building

some really excellent pneumatic seating

these days it's becoming a little more

affordable

um we're using a company that's also

from from british columbia called

shockwave

marine seating so we're using on this

boat

uh their s5 units that you know some of

the viewers probably

seen in different pads and things like

that really nice compact little unit

with their corbin custom seats over top

so you know it's not the highest level

of um pneumatic you know shock absorbing

seating

but it's something that will take it to

the next level in this boat and

in the first one that we did we went

over the top and we did

full you know navy grade uh 100

crazy 20 000 type seats you know per

seat set up over the top

and it was awesome but that goes back to

the whole thing about maybe a little

excessive and

so we've looked at what what makes sense

and this is kind of finding that value

proposition of in between where

we're really happy with the results and

the value makes a lot of sense for the

product

so you are you uh can we talk a little

bit about the nav system that you chose

for that boat

um yeah so talk to us a little bit about

your decisions how did you go about

choosing the navigation package for this

boat for the listeners out there how did

you decide for that

foot or what you were gonna go with so i

like

where garmin's gone with a lot of their

stuff over the years and you know

when they first got into the marine

industry i think a lot of people just

went uh they're you know they're a car

you know situation they're you know

they're not going to make it

and they made some big waves pretty

quick in the industry and where they've

got to

so what i like is it's very intuitive

and you know if you went back five years

ago

uh you know there'd be a lot of captains

and owners that would turn their nose up

to

some of the garmin stuff and they would

have to be stuck on certain brands and

things like that and

i won't go into that whole debate

because that's just a whole separate

topic

um but i really i decided i wanted

something that was user-friendly and

capable

and you know whether it's myself at the

helm or whether it is

you know a customer or a newer voter

you know comfort and being able to make

um you know quick decisions based on

information that's in front of you

so the largest screens possible for good

visibility because when it's harry out

or like you mentioned

rough in the water uh being able to make

smart choices

the more comfortable you are and how

easy it is to use a system

is just how much better your voting

experience is and for me

the garmin package was a very good value

for what you've got for a user interface

without having to go to a whole school

learning how to use the system

what kind of radar did you end up

choosing on that boat did you guys end

up doing a radome or an open array

yeah so we ended up going with the

radome we've we've used the open array

before

um for our needs on this

goal in this product uh you know radon

made sense value-wise cost wise

um it was one of those ones that uh

it was more about functionality and

value than it was about

you know having something that was maybe

you know overkill or bigger visual or

more impressive so

i i think we went a little more

economical but i'm really happy with

what we're going to be capable of doing

with just the radon

did you end up with the phantom line uh

for the radar do you know

the reason that is a great question

someone that works at our company

knows that answer yeah i think you ended

up with the phantom line by the way

that's the recommendation

speaking with your team that's i think

where you ended which is

pretty uh i mean garmin makes great

radars there's no doubt

that's what we used right there yeah

exactly phantom radar honestly i

i i had sold a lot of those radars

before

i tried it on my own boat and

i can't believe how the crazy thing

about them is

the automatic acquisition of targets

so they're actually identifying targets

that are coming near you or away from

you and they're color coding them

differently

and this is without even a user so you

can literally now start using your radar

without having to be a pro about radar

you can actually turn it on

do a radar overlay or have it on one

screen

and then you can literally have because

there's certain places in british

columbia again where

there's a lot of different little

islands and islets and you don't even

know

you know it's hard to memorize

everything when you're going fast

and to know that an object is moving and

it's not stationary

and to have to see that target be color

coded differently depending if it's

moving away from you or closer to you

is really a good way especially at speed

to discern

objects of interest versus objects

that you know they're going away from

you there's not really a problem

you know there you're you know and i

think that radar packs a lot of punch

uh and i tried it on my own boat and i

had the original one i had

a 18 and i think it was an hd plus

and i upgraded to the phantom i was like

wow i was like okay

i get it now okay and the price

difference is nominal too which is great

uh it's all about confidence on the

water and those are just factors that

give you more confidence and

you know the more confidence you have

with cruising whether it's with your

family or with friends

with distractions just enhances your

experience in the water and you know

you're going boating because you want to

relax you want to unwind

and if you're nerving and upset and

cautious about everything going on

because you don't have good information

and you don't have reliable systems

then it's going to be a negative effect

on your weekends away so once again

having some of those products just makes

it you know

hang on worth it so another thing too

that i think is worth talking and you

mentioned this about the open concept

but

tell us a little bit and i think it's

i've seen this on other boats as well

but

tell us about the the way that how are

the aft deck

and the main the salon and the galley

separate how does one access the other

can you tell us a little bit about

now we're talking more interior sort of

layout but tell us a little bit about

how you went about designing the

interior layout of this boat

yeah you know that's a it's a great

thing i mean i i believe that

um you know good food good drinks you

know

good friends make for good times and and

when you're there

when you get to that location where

we're going to be whether you're on

anchor

you're tied to a dock and you're wanting

to entertain

you know being in one common space you

know you know you don't want to have

whoever's doing the cooking

separating from everyone else you don't

want to have you know a disjointed boat

you don't want to have upper levels and

lower levels where

the primary time you spend other than

sleeping is in these main areas so

the focus was to to make you know a

40ish foot boat feel bigger and how we

did that

is by an opening bulkhead so the

traditional bulkhead

where you would go into the cabin is set

up on

a full opening window with an opening

door that opens up the space and right

to that area

you know you have your working space of

your galley you have your sink your

cooktop your prep area uh you know all

your refrigeration equipment everything

right there

so that you know what whoever is cooking

whatever is going out just like having a

kitchen party you're right there

and the key is just having everybody

right there hanging out together what do

you do when you're boating

you're cooking you're eating you're

having a good time and that's what it's

all about so

the focus of this boat was around all

those sorts of things of just

entertaining and hanging out

yeah and so you're actually i love it

too i mean i

i remember seeing the seeing the

original number one

and even with number two i mean i think

the layout

that open concept is a game changer

you're absolutely right growing up in a

french canadian family where all the

parties happen in the kitchen

and the living room was almost empty and

everybody was standing room sitting on

counters around

you know there's something there's some

the magic happens in the kitchen or

around the kitchen

and to have the galley be not like you

say tucked away too far

is especially when the weather is nice

um

that is that's a great great picture

there so that's looking through

the aft bulkhead so there's no mullions

or anything between there

the first boat was a powered window so

the window went down the door opened

and that space is completely open in the

next model we're building right now we

we changed the city layout and where

you'd be looking at the outside of that

city that's now

part of the galley in the other side so

it's a little bit different setup so it

relates a little bit more to the indoor

outdoor better

um and it probably takes that open

concept kind of to the next level

yeah and you're right it's a great way

to you know when you start putting walls

everywhere i remember visiting an

apartment in vancouver

i think it was a three bedroom two

bathroom and a den

and like 900 square feet every room felt

like a closet

and the whole thing felt like a dungeon

and i i know it meant all the boxes

you know you could bring and raise a

family there but the challenge was every

single space was your own

but it was tiny and i think with an open

concept

yeah you might not have you know

dedicated spaces for certain things but

the reality is we generally when you're

boating especially on a boat of this

size you're choosing

who's on board i mean these are for

certainly for myself when i'm voting

i'm with loved ones these are people

that i care about these are people i

want to spend time with

you know i i'm not going there to have

my own space when i have guests on board

the boat

i'm going there to live you know it's

it's a party that almost never ends

really

it's uh it's a weekend that you know

you're making memories

from morning to night and then it just

repeats and so

be having that common space is a great

way to just

yeah create the memories um and nobody

feels isolated because everybody wants

to be in it i think when we're voting

you know you don't want to be on your

own and i've seen boats where the galley

is literally

tucked away down below multiple steps no

windows

yeah that's i mean that's harder i mean

of course i understand that some

boarders have to have that but if you're

given a choice of not having it

certainly some of us are going to

appreciate that open concept yeah

tell me a little bit about the tv we had

spoken about that what did you end up

doing with the tv setup because i

thought that was pretty neat when we

were

dreaming uh on the back deck of that

boat just before christmas

tell me where you landed on that maybe

just one thing before that i'll mention

you know if you don't have a setup where

you know you can't have an open concept

you got an existing boat you have the

galley below

you're disconnected a great easy way to

be able to bring that up is

you know buy a better barbecue buy a

better green barbecue

and design some meal plans that really

are focused around barbecuing

all your meal plans bring some of your

prep station outside

buy a cool cutting board that fits for

your boat bring your party to the back

deck you know bring

bring it out there don't focus on a

stove down below and uh

like i said for several hundred bucks

you can upgrade your barbecue change

your meal plan you can change the whole

feeling of how you're boating that

weekend

yeah that's a good point yeah well

uh the tv yeah you know a little opulent

over the top so

you know maximizing the size you know we

have a city inside where on a

you know cold rainy day or whatever it

may be you want to sit there with a

couple you know pillows and cuddle up

with some kids or hang out with a loved

one

flip it down watch a movie but on the

other side we can open the

back bulkhead window split that tvs uh

180 degrees

and we've got you know a 47 inch tv

right on the back deck of the boat which

is completely oversized for a 40-foot

boat in that space

and then we've got it set up with hdmi

and different outputs where we can plug

in

uh an air drone we have on the boat an

underwater submarine that's going to be

on there

and just you know have some fun things

to do let's just take the next level

let's get creative hey you're bored well

let's send over the sub and go check

going to the bottom of the ocean

yeah the kids i mean kids have got to

love that who doesn't want to be jacques

cousteau

we went with the track vision uh

satellite system on this boat

and uh your company helped us sort that

out and you know we could be back there

and you know one of my dreams an

opulence would be

you know cruising trolling for salmon

while watching you know a seahawks game

on sunday

you know or nhl you know hockey game or

something in the back deck or

maybe even watching a golf match that

doesn't take you too much off your

fishing game but

you know that to me was over the top and

probably one of the biggest splurges

on this design just something fun yeah

it's

the great thing about voting like this

especially when you get to dream and

build

is it's it's almost like to me i

describe it as i remember visiting all

these amazing castles in europe

and all these beautiful homes that you

know were museums

i think we're doing that in some way

with voting it's

it's where now people are dreaming about

you know it's not just the science it's

about this sort of

you know the way that my psychologist

told me it's it's

you can you can imagine perfection and

you're chasing it you know because it's

there's boundaries it's not it's not

like land you

there are distinctions of that boat and

you can keep

finding ways of improving it making it

sort of resonate with what boating

you're doing

and when you're on board i'm smiling

just thinking about it

you just feel like it's almost like a

you know it's like

the way that i imagine my world would be

more often than it is

especially on the water i've never been

on the water and said oh you know what i

wish i was somewhere else

it's it's always the place i'd rather be

yeah well you said it before about loved

ones and who you go boating with then

you know you can have as much fun on a

17 foot you know fishing boat because

you can on 150 foot yacht and you can

make memories that last just as long if

not longer and better

so it's who you go it's the mindset it's

about getting on the water

getting those special spots whether

that's out on a you know a fishing hole

you've got or whether it's

special anchorage that you're going to

drop a kayak in the water you know just

get on the water

get on the water and you will have a

better life because of it

exactly so i'm gonna i'm gonna wrap it

up i think we're almost at one hour at

this point i wanna

thank you tim for joining me on our

podcast

i'm really excited about you sharing

your passion

about not only voting but actually

making voting dreams come true for other

voters as well

and with that i'm going to say a big

shout out to everyone for watching

if you've got further questions or

comments please post them down below

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you need to be in contact

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companies let us know

and we'll also put a link down on the

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find

many of the companies that tim is sort

of leading the way with

all right awesome thanks tim for joining

us thank you it was a fun chat thanks a

lot for doing it

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